(Laughs.) Mandel has stated many times how grateful he is that the writers decided Selina would lose the election and not be in the White House in Season 6. But at the moment where perhaps it most counted, she does have these regrets. That's why he went back. What is the feeling in that moment? Then of course, like all bullies because she is a bully the best defense is a good offense. Well, a Christmas Carol! Even though he had a kernel of love for her, he spent so much of his time just trying to please in this codependent love, and the result of that is never good. In spite of everything she did, you get the sense that if that coffin opened up and she said, Get me a tea, he kind of would. AmyBrookheimer(Anna Chlumsky) tells viewers that Selina never visited him. A cautionary tale for 2020, this season was simply darker and more brutal than ever. With your scenes on Veep, not everything is written on the page and you all try alternate versions. Obviously, it affects millions of same-sex couples, and its horrific. "I knew about it for quite some time, and it felt absolutely perfect," Louis-Dreyfus tells EW of the story turn. So the other nine, most of them were dramas. It was really, really fun to do. The Central Labor Union held its second Labor Day holiday just a year later, on September 5, 1883. I like to think its a credit to Armando [Iannucci, the shows creator] and the previous writers, and my current writers, that we can make you root for a terrible person. So that was tricky. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. If she had asked the question, do you think would Gary have sacrificed himself? He has no personal identity, so Selina becoming president is like getting the key and him becoming president. Even with all the dysfunction and all the abuse, he did have this almost spiritual love for her. Labor Day vs. May Day . He has no identity outside of Selina Meyer. That cant hit her until the White House. Both Labor Day and May Day, the two worker holidays, grew out of violent clashes between labor and police in the American Midwest.What is known as the Haymarket Riot (or . Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. On April 16, Selena Day, fans will put on their favorite Selena songs and remember the incredible impact the Tejano crooner had on music. When Kent is basically bellowing at Selina and kind of losing it a little bit, the camera finds Amy there. Plus, he has that weird nickname, Buttf***er.'. But now thats its coming back a second time, its this realization of, its almost like, We tried. But what went through her head was, We had tried earlier in the day off the Muslim math thing. Its fun to go over memories. And that idea that comes up earlier in the season, which is her having to plan her own funeral which presidents do I honestly think we tried to jam that into the finale of season 5 when she was leaving the White House. So I think later in life he might have seen how ridiculous that was and let himself go a little bit and freed up. Yes, he enjoyed seeing people turn real Trump team gaffes into Veep closing-credits sequences like the executive order one above or Sean Spicers infamous Hitler remarks below. When she says to him, I need you to do a favor for me. Going to jail was never in the cards of that favor in Garys mind. Andrew met Selina Eaton in 1988 at the beginning of her senior year at Smith. I remember when she asked me early on in the series to break up with her boyfriend for her, because she didnt want to face it. Can you fill in the gaps. Its so incredibly gratifying. My story is that Im super bummed its over! Gary disposed of a body for her. Ben (Kevin Dunn) has been dead! For this rotted-out soul, was it all worth it?This is my honest opinion. When push comes to shove, shes a scorpion. Did he give up because he was defeated and heartbroken, or because he wanted to make this sacrifice for her? I root for her because of amazing acting by her actor. Or, put more bluntly by Eman Abdelmouty: Shes the absolute worst. "For twentysomething years, he had lived in this fantasy and it shook him, and hopefully it woke him out of that to where he can begin living his life. Throughout their 12-year marriage, Andrew was always . And they have had this just crazy ping-pong back-and-forth relationship, and he has constantly screwed her over. And theres nothing you could do that would ever satisfy her, he says. TVLINE | I feel like the first three seasons have been building to thismoment. And I do think oftentimes in peoples lives they have a father figure but dont quite realize its their father figure until a certain moment comes. 1. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. And I love how Veep showed that full-circle moment with her. The gut-punch of a betrayal played out in the present-day ending of Sunday's series finale, which then jumped ahead 24 years to former President Meyer's funeral. And so, Julia e-mailed him, and then we got back this very quick auto-response, that was like, Im traveling. In the primaries, Jonahs run mirrors Selinas initial run: he starts out popular, but ends up losing to DANNY CHUNG. He always wanted to match her. Some part of me almost wondered that had she asked him, he actually might have been willing to do it. But Hale says that the ultimate revenge may be Selina's, even from the grave. After 'Veep's' series finale, Tony Hale speaks to The Hollywood Reporter about the betrayal and flash-forward reveal for his character Gary Walsh. Given Garys history with Selina that breakup, the Labor Day event, the mysterious garbage bags and so much more was this new level of depravity totally unexpected? But you saw that tinge of humanity in her that made her sad. In the beginning of the season, you told me that Gary viewed her as a forever queen. And always the president in his eyes. I dont have the secret answer of what Labor Day was, I just liked the idea of a lot of clues that kept changing what you thought about it. April 19 2015, 7:57 PM PDT. Thats hard to say goodbye to. How Marvel went big with Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. You can tie that into fake news, just the idea that people used to believe scientists, and doctors, and now they dont. Did you ever consider revealing exactly what happened on Labor Day, or is it one of those things that the answer will never be as satisfying as the speculation and your own imagination?I love that everyone has a theory. It just suddenly washed over her what a terrible idea this was, and what she hath wrought?Yeah. Its tiny as f, its miniscule as all hell, but its just perfect, seeing this just I dont know, revulsion. I feel like the sun has set on her career., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. We should also point out that as shes kicking these people out of the office, were ending in a White House where, yes, Sue is outside, but in her inner circle, theres nobody there from the old show. So Im surprised in terms of her own survival that she did that. We sort of got a little freaked out by what that meant, and Julia was in the middle of trying to get through to his agent, or any of those kinds of things, when all of a sudden, the response came back, and he was delighted and gave a big thumbs up. And so Gary wouldnt really listen to what shes actually saying. While the titular role in Selena: The Series will be taken on by . As for that Jonah scenario, Maybe Jonah could get tortured. I think we all hope youll miss each other enough that youll come up with something down the line. She's like, 'I'm going out looking good!'". Despite becoming President, she is paying a price. I think he gets an odd kick out of watching the show. I think its a credit to Julia that she has found a way to make people care about this character. ", "You look beautiful," he said, loyal to the very end that he did not know was here. And I think Mother fits into that world. If he had to single out a personal favorite, it would be Kissing Your Sister, just because he had so much fun directing it. And what that says to me is, again, another picture of her weakness and her cowardice. ", "It was just f---ing fabulous!" Any kind of obscenities that have been thrown at him from her, he just doesnt hear it. And its not easy for her, but its not as hard as it probably should be, either. But its still Catherine. Is there any world where you do a spinoff or movie or continue this character in some way? So again, it wouldve been Jonahs fault that she didnt get what she wanted. However, proof begins to surface that Chung was actually born overseas (in like Brazil or something unexpected) and he is thrown out of office. Not exactly Dan, but Dan-esque. Welcome to the Quantum Realm. The people she banned are now there. It is horrific. My mind goes to some dark places during that scene. From what I remember, I think we did the scene several times before the balloons. Louis-Dreyfus said she believed something crosses Selinas eyes of perhaps remorse and love for Gary in their goodbye. And on top of that, Gary is supposed to be very happy in the scene. Oh, no, no, no!' ", And Veep truly came full circle in the final seconds of the episode, as CBS Evening News anchor (!) (An earlier version of the script had him saying that she looked stunning.) In this hilarious clip from HBO's "Veep " Selina (Julia Louis Dreyfus) and Gary (Tony Hale) finally have a blowout and essentially reset their relationship. When we learn that Richard Splett [Sam Richardson] becomes a historic two-term president, it feels like some reward and justice in this cold, cruel world. I wish in retrospect, we had managed to put maybe one, or two other clues along the way But there is no answer. Amy (Anna Chlumsky) ended up with Ericsson (Diedrich Bader)! Do you believe Selina felt remorse? I feel like the possibility of Jonahs impending death would be just as nerve-racking as all the times Quinn was in danger. She just reduces him to a puddle of a man. "And you are a lifesaver, I couldn't have done it without you," she returned, surprising him with a hug. Not really, he says. Well do a big vaudeville act! I think then youre sort of in Bill OReilly territory. Andrew owns a large company, which is revealed to have funded both sides of the 2012 presidential election. If you like TVLine, you'll LOVE our email news alerts! But she wouldnt do that. Im just not sure either of them has the ability to get to that step. Welcome to the Quantum Realm. Given that Mike never winds up giving that heartfelt eulogy for Selina, could you finish the job right now?I would personally eulogize her as the most wonderfully complicated character I ever got to write. I dont think Selina saw it as a gift, but in terms of his life, it was probably the biggest gift. Starting with the most obvious. And we went back and forth on a lot of other things. Louis-Dreyfus recalls that she had to bridle her own feelings to power through this poignant moment. For this scene they just bring up the day in which something happened. And at one point, we even talked about in the episode where you would meet the General and he plans her funeral, the credits of that episode would be the funeral. I dont know quite what hes doing there, but its kind of wonderful., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Mandel admits some of his questions werent necessarily designed to be answered. It was probably the most heartwarming Youre my hatchet man line ever delivered.Weve played a lot with the notion of this horrific dad she had, over the past three years. Keith Quinn has become her hatchet man but she doesnt have the relationship with him that she had with Ben [Kevin Dunn]. Right before she hit the stage in Charlotte to accept her party's nomination for president, she tried to prepare Gary for what was about to hit him, while he tried to prepare her for the spotlight with a special lipstick. I think hed love to go to restaurants and be able to eat, but Im not quite sure hed have a lot to say. His take? But I think that care and that base level love is what brought him to the funeral. That they murdered somebody just too easy, Mandel says. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: "Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained.". The tragedy of Selena's death was both manner and timing: On March 31, 1995 at her then musical heightat the moment when she was reaching vast audiences in both Mexico and AmericaSelena . Im just now thinking about this, but I think during those 20 years, there was probably a good five years in the beginning that he thought she was going to change her mind and wake up and realize how special he was to her. Though she was fatally shot by the president of her fan club in 1995, the 23-year-old was able to accomplish some huge feats - from being credited with catapulting Latin music into the . So it was just a genuine expression of having missed her, but also having been really glad that she showed up. Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic Clash, Sheds Light on 'Labor Day' Mystery. A tinge. I mean, Dan is with who he wants to be. About half of those people, without provocation, also added that they'd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2's "Shutdown.". I think if you were a math person, Kent might actually take to you. TVLINE | How does this impact their relationship moving forward? She had given into that much of her selfishness and narcissism. The country is just waking up to how cherished she is. His favorite experience was when the American Film Institute showed clips from the 10 series it was honoring and, alphabetically, Veep came last. I love it so much. Regret is a part of it, but at the same time, though, I think almost more horror. Whoop 4.0: Which One Is The Best Health Tracker? For the greater good. He had all the designer clothes and was always clean-shaven, because God forbid he look like crap compared to her. That guy has shown his dark side way too many times (Dans resignation) and has probably done some nasty stuff during his career, Viktor Cegledi reasoned. You dont ever really get to see Gary angry, but Tony is channeling sort of a little bit of a disgust, if you will. And then [theres] the ultimate decision to give it to Jonah, which in some ways is almost as bad as the Gary thing, and Im putting it, like, a hair less. "He's very bitter. (Laughs.) [Laughs. And to answer Jamies question, Why would Gary wearing corduroy not happen? The joke I always say is, we would sit around trying to think of the stupidest, dumbest thing a president or his staff could do and they kind of outdo that on a daily basis.. Its time to make everybody pay. She wasnt completely disconnected. Theseries finale betrayal was heartbreaking to watch. Exactly. She couldnt even face Gary to do it, thats how much of a coward she was. I was like, 'Oh! By But if you watch when he talks about how she wouldve hated the flowers, theres an anger there. It was nice to be able to let loose. A lot of these stories go back to when I and the new writers came into the show. As Erica Macy-Lesperance wrote, I wouldnt want Veep to air on a regular network because I dont want to lose any of Selinas colorful vocabulary. Sort of a Biden to his Obama. : r/Veep - Reddit; 2.Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic - TVLine CBS Evening News anchor Mike McLintock (! Was the attitude in the writers room this season one of The cruelty, ignorance and hypocrisy in this world needs an equal and opposite force more than ever, or was it Its our last season, so lets adopt a scorched Earth policy, or maybe a bit of both?I go for a little bit of both, and Ill throw a third thing in. I like to think shes haunted because you two are a favorite TV couple in a twisted way. I think that would be important to her., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The top vote getter was Jonah, with Dan as the runner-up (I would need to work for someone who has a soul, Minh wrote of the latter). And President Richard Splett is that expression of hope for the future. I mean, its all new people. Catherine, Gary, Tibet, and pristine federal lands are just some of the collateral damage in this mad dash to the Oval Office. If I dont go crazily in, then it invalidates the previous decision. She was all in. She Danes-es it up, he says. And whose was the hardest to settle on?I most loved Richard being president, and I loved the three-state solution to the [Israeli-Palestinian] crisis, because even I as the writer have no idea what the third state is. Totally. And that scene just plays. This was a really [important] scene, and we wanted to make sure it gelled, so we worked on it in for a while to find the flow of it. Ill be vice president! almost reluctantly is one of my absolute favorite jokes, and I think in some weird way very true to the spirit of all seven seasons of the original show, a show about the vice presidency. But In the age of reboots, we must ask: Is there any chance that Veep will come back in any form, down the road?At least for the moment, Ive said everything I have to say about these people and this world. Ive said this before, but its like a dog returning to his vomit. To read what Louis-Dreyfus and Hale thought of Selinas betrayal of Gary, head over here. (Luckily Im not American, then I dont have to live under Trump direction.). She was such a coward that she didnt want to go to someone and say, I dont want to date you anymore. And she had me do it. It was kinda great., TRUMP MOMENT as @VeepHBO closing credit scene is ???????????? He does do more than fetch my hand lotion. Every single night he does it just to be prepared for the next day. says the actress. During her desperate, obsessive drive to return to . You dont really want Selina to be president, you kind of want Julia to be president. I think he has forgiven her. Early in the season, you gave us a tantalizing and terrifying clue about Labor Day, one in which we learned that it was not a day but a boat, which sends the brain to awful places, along the lines of Natalie Wood or Chappaquiddick. Shes about to become president again and that is the biggest joy of Garys life. Sex toy covered in shit. Get your hands off of him. In many places, workers toiled for at least 12 hours a day . Shell push it down because shes Selina, but I think in every moment of silence, that will be back in her life forever. Its meant to be. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 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